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05 March 2005 @ 09:19 pm
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For anyone who thinks the pre-season cup is worth taking seriously answer me this question:

Am I supposed to believe that 3 out of the 4 best teams in 2005 are teams that didn't even make the finals in 2004?

And since it looks like Carlton are going to make the pre-season grand final, what do you think are the chances of them making the "real" grand final?
 
 
 
musosianmusosian on March 5th, 2005 10:50 am (UTC)
I don't think they'll make the real GF, but I do believe they've got a half-decent team now. I mean, they finished 9th last year iirc, which isn't terrible. The wizard cup is only as much of an indicator as the coach wants it to be - like with Essendon playing a half-strength team (admittedly after they fell out of the series) because Sheedy has issues with the knock-out format of the comp...

The wizz-fizz is worth taking seriously for the cash prizes on offer for finalists/anyone who gets through the first round. Apart from that, you never know what the motivation each week is - is it to try out new players? Or to test old players coming back from injury or in new positions? Or is it truly to win at all costs? Most teams, it wouldn't be the last one.
Jacobyak_boy on March 5th, 2005 12:55 pm (UTC)
Or is it truly to win at all costs? Most teams, it wouldn't be the last one.

Exactly.
So what's in it for the fans?
Fans want to see their team go out and fight hard for a win, they don't want to see their teams playing a half-strength team in order to blood a few 16-year olds.

On the flipside, teams like Carlton, who haven't made the premiership finals for quite a while, have a lot more to gain by playing to win in the pre-season cup (boosting their depleted memberships for example).
But, you then get a situation in which Carlton fans may come away thinking that they have a competitive team for the premiership, when in fact the main reason that the pre-season cup grand final includes Carlton is that the stronger teams aren't actually trying to win the pre-season cup.

Basically, the pre-season cup is simply a chance to attach media coverage and revenue-raising to otherwise profitless pre-season practice matches.
musosianmusosian on March 5th, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
It was still nice to be able to go and see a game on Friday, and maybe again this Friday, even if there are some strange moves being made. Regardless of whether it's your best side or not, if there are supposedly good players out there making clangers, it's not terribly reassuring. Like our new champion/expensive tradee, Brad Ottens, missing a set shot from 20m, a slight angle from 40, and another goal-chance out on the full. No one deliberately misses the goals. Quite a worry...
Jacobyak_boy on March 5th, 2005 10:45 pm (UTC)
It was still nice to be able to go and see a game on Friday

But, that's my point about practice matches.
If they were playing informal practice matches it would be either free or a lot cheaper to go and see it.

Regardless of whether it's your best side or not, if there are supposedly good players out there making clangers, it's not terribly reassuring.

Everyone has a bad day now and then, and it's much more likely if you're not "playing for keeps" so to speak.
musosianmusosian on March 5th, 2005 11:34 pm (UTC)
I'm quite surprised that they charge $14 for an adult to go and see a practice match after the teams are no longer in the running - I did expect these would be free. Luckily my membership arrived in time, so I do get in free. And you're right about people trying harder when it counts (although James Kelly, thank goodness, looked as good as ever, I was kinda worried he'd injure himself again he was throwing himself around so much).

Chrisfireburner on March 6th, 2005 06:19 am (UTC)
Ottens will come good
musosianmusosian on March 6th, 2005 07:01 am (UTC)
Ottens will come good or be lynched.