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04 September 2005 @ 09:58 am
Donate to the hurricane appeal?  
No offence to the person who suggested it, but...

Is it just me or do others think that a government that has so far spent more than 192 billion dollars invading another country can fund its own disaster relief?

I mean, my heart goes out to the victims, but I'm not reaching into my wallet for this one.

The difference between this and the tsunami appeal is not that I have anything in particular against the US or its citizens, but that the tsunami affected countries that simply did not have the resources to have coped with the disaster without financial aid and ground support. I doubt that the same can be said about the US.

Also, if I remember correctly, when assistance was offered to India during the tsunami disaster I believe they turned it away, saying that they were more than capable of taking care of their own citizens. Surely the US would say the same.


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musosianmusosian on September 4th, 2005 01:17 am (UTC)
Nope. It's not just you. And I also wonder how long it would have taken them to get the army in if it were a foreign invasion rather than a natural disaster...

How can it have been impossible to get food and medical supplies into the place people were told to evacuate to for 5 days?
Some guy called Lap?harkon on September 4th, 2005 04:22 am (UTC)
The evacuation notice sounded like some little kid's chain email or something. Also we lived in a fucked up world where people will only do thing if they feel they can get away with it: ie. without their bosses thinking less of them.
Mikmareth_redorb on September 5th, 2005 12:08 am (UTC)
In answer to your question....
From what I've heard (do not treat this as a reliable source, but it's as good as any these days), the Red Cross has been barred from going in to the affected area because the authorities want to get everyone out of the area and the theory is that if the Red Cross is there, then a larger number of people will decide that it's going to be ok to stay.

In terms of federal/other state support from the US government, there is a process in place whereby one state must formally request aid of those around them. This had not happened until several days later - I only heard on the radio this morning on the way to work that that the federal government was now sending aid, as opposed to just sending in the National Guard.

As I stated above, this is by no means a reliable source, so please go and verify it through the sources you trust.
Jessjess2903 on September 5th, 2005 11:26 am (UTC)
Re: In answer to your question....
What I can't understand is how come the media, the supposed 'scum of the earth' have free reign and are the ones that have been rescuing the people, but the people that really matter like the army and the red cross haven't been allowed in till now? What's up with that?
Mikmareth_redorb on September 5th, 2005 10:20 pm (UTC)
Re: In answer to your question....
Um, I think I addressed that about the Red Cross above.

The other thing to take into account is that the majority of the National Guard and the majority of the Engineering Corps who have the equipment that can deal with the floodwater and rebuilding levees etc is currently in Iraq, yet when our PM offers the Australian Engineering Corps to assist, we're turned down because "America does not want foreign troops on its soil".
Jessjess2903 on September 6th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC)
Re: In answer to your question....
The thing about the Red Cross was more of a retorical question sorry, I know you did say something about them...or maybe more a question for the actual government to answer...
Mikmareth_redorb on September 6th, 2005 10:05 pm (UTC)
Re: In answer to your question....
Ah.. Fairy Nuff then :)
Some guy called Lap?harkon on September 4th, 2005 04:26 am (UTC)
My understanding of the idea behind asking for aid when you are the richest country in the world is that while you can afford to pay the costs of recovery, it is more the fact that you don't just have the money lying around. Also, $1 in aid the week after the disaster is going to be worth a lot more than $1 of aid in six months.

They have fluffed up in terms of logistics horrendously though, and should have really taken up all offers of aid that came in the form of labour as soon as possible.
Robet Éivaayvah on September 4th, 2005 10:07 pm (UTC)
It's hard to say.

Protecting Americans is America's responsibility, and it should be completely capable of it...
But the Americans most affected by this disaster are the ones screwed over by American politics.

Gah.
sjlsjl on September 4th, 2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
I think that that whole train of thought is why I have been going around in a sort of dream-like state, as if the whole disaster isn't really happening. Another part of it is that I remember what happened in 2001, how the whole world rallied around behind the US to support them after the World Trade Centre crumbled, and how the US pissed all that support away in its arrogance.

I feel for those caught in the middle of it, but I really do find it hard to even consider giving the US my support after all the events of the past few years.
rusty_dkrusty_dk on September 5th, 2005 05:58 am (UTC)
I think this whole thing has turned out to be very interesting...

America, possibly the worlds only superpower left in the world is crumbling right before your eyes. There are people pleading that they need help and that they cant do it on their own, and yet India, who turned away aid felt they were capable of dealing with their problems...

Stories of rape and death have been some of the more disturbing stories I have heard, it kinda makes one feel sick to the stumoch...I just think it's quite an eye opener to see what has happened and how they are coping with it all
sjlsjl on September 5th, 2005 07:16 am (UTC)
Only? I doubt it ... there's this small country you may have heard of called "China". The way things are right now, they're headed to be the major superpower of this century. India is also headed in a similar direction. The US may not be going anywhere soon, but they aren't the only major power in the world, not by a long shot.

It also depends on how you define "superpower". Economically speaking, I'm pretty sure China is in better overall shape than the US; too many years of neglect in infrastructure and education is seeing to that.
rusty_dkrusty_dk on September 7th, 2005 09:52 am (UTC)
yeah america is crumbling...

china has the potential but they have probs of their own...heading for a revolution id say...

i still stand by my opinion on what i said
sjlsjl on September 7th, 2005 10:49 pm (UTC)
I don't dispute the major overall thrust of what you said, only the implication that America is the only major superpower. I do agree that China is likely heading for a revolution; after that, though, there's a very good chance that they'll be neck and neck with the US, possibly even surpassing them.

Time will tell, in any case; all this is really just speculation.
Jessjess2903 on September 5th, 2005 11:34 am (UTC)
As I said in my own post, I also believe that America could probably survive on their own, but maybe that's only what we've been led to believe. I think that the images of how much these people are suffering are enough for me to donate something and to try to get others to as well, but I do get ur justification for not doing so either. I think George Bush is definitely gone after this, especially because it has been painted as a racist issue too.
Jacob: dangerousyak_boy on September 5th, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC)
Bush has been elected for the maximum number of terms anyway, but hopefully it will take down the Republicans in general.

Of course, they'll be right back in power again as soon as they change the constitution and Arnie runs for Prez.