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04 April 2005 @ 05:33 pm
I started watching the TV series Firefly on Saturday night.
I finished watching it today, but that's no huge feat considering only 14 episodes were made.

Anyway, this series really just reinforced what I already knew:

Joss Whedon is a fucking genius, and television studios are run by a bunch of gorram [insert Chinese "swearing"].

Still, the good news is that the film, Serenity, is coming out towards the end of the year.

Anyway, say what you like about Quentin Tarantino or Kevin Smith, nobody writes dialogue like Joss Whedon.
Jacobyak_boy on April 4th, 2005 07:39 am (UTC)
and television studios are run by a bunch of gorram [insert Chinese "swearing"].

And that goes triple for Fox.
Steph_megalomania_ on April 4th, 2005 07:43 am (UTC)
nobody</b> writes dialogue like Joss Whedon.</i>

sjlsjl on April 4th, 2005 11:09 pm (UTC)
Just two words for you.

"Babylon Five".

"The universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. The language is not Narn or Human or Centauri or Gaim or Minbari. It speaks in the language of hope."
"It speaks in the language of trust. It speaks in the language of strength and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us and the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born. The small, still voice that says: 'We are one. No matter the blood, no matter the skin, no matter the world, no matter the star ... We are one. No matter the pain, no matter the darkness, no matter the loss, no matter the fear ... We are one.' Here, gathered together in common cause, we begin to realize this singular truth and this singular rule that we must be kind to one another. Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light our way to a better future. We are one."
"We are one."

And here's another:

"It was the end of the Earth year 2260, and the war had paused, suddenly and unexpectedly. .. All around us, it was as if the universe were holding its breath, waiting. All of life can be broken down into moments of transition or moments .. of revelation. This had the feeling of both."
"G'Quan wrote: 'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"

Joss Whedon... he's not bad, but Buffy didn't do much for me, and whilst Angel was reasonable, it didn't resonate in the same way that B5 did for me. I'll be honest and admit that I haven't seen Firefly, though.

No argument on the TV exec thing. Excuse me; I need to go mourn over Crusade's premature demise.
HegeMonhege_mon on April 5th, 2005 03:54 am (UTC)
> I need to go mourn over Crusade's premature demise

it was overdue, not premature.
sjl: snoozingsjl on April 5th, 2005 04:14 am (UTC)
Well, if you took the first dozen or so episodes from Babylon 5 season 1, and viewed them in isolation, you'd probably say it's a pretty crap show. It's only in the context of the whole thing that you realise they're setting up the stage for what's coming down the road.

I'm assuming that it's a similar story for Crusade.
HegeMonhege_mon on April 5th, 2005 04:56 am (UTC)
Nar, but I am a judgemental sort.
HegeMonhege_mon on April 5th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
but then, 'Jeremiah' is a highly under-rated show.
Jacobyak_boy on April 5th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
Hmm... in a Joss Whedon show, someone making a speech like that is just as likely to get stabbed to death half way through it.

Long-winded philosophical mumbo-jumbo is sometimes great, but it is totally the opposite of what I was talking about when I said Joss Whedon writes the best dialogue.

He writes snappy, clever, fast-paced dialogue, which is why I compared him to Tarantino and Smith.

Which is the style of Whedon's shows - fast-paced action-adventure, which I don't think is what Babylon Five is all about, by I have to admit I haven't seen any of it.

It is on my to-watch list, however.
sjlsjl on April 5th, 2005 06:45 am (UTC)
Context is everything. The quotes I posted were either at the very end of the last episode of a season, or made complete sense in terms of where they were placed in the show. You don't get long philosophical discourse in the middle of a battle in B5, as a "for instance".

You're right; they are chalk and cheese -- B5 is more of a long journey through the growth of several characters and the exploration of the intent of various races in the context of the B5; all of which is, in essence, a look at what it is to be human. Joss Whedon isn't the same sort of writer.

Everybody is different, and the B5 appeal is very different to the appeal of Angel or Buffy (to name the two Joss shows I'm familiar with). Not saying any are bad, just that they're different. B5 is definitely worth checking out, though; my advice would be to watch the first season before throwing it in the trash can. Several of the early episodes are very cringe-worthy (and this is coming from a rabid fan :) although there is worthwhile stuff in most of them if you look hard enough.
Robet Éivaayvah on April 5th, 2005 11:20 am (UTC)
[b]Babylon 5[/b]...? That show gave me nightmares. Please, if only someone would get on with the stabbing.

[b]Firefly[/b] though, didn't seem all that bad, though it didn't intrigue me as much as it could have. I can't even remember it; I just have this vague sense of how I felt about the show.

But I will point a finger at the dialogue in [b]Stargate[/b]. From what I've seen of [b]Angel[/b], it's on the same page (though [b]SG[/b] has less extreme character conflict).
Robet Éivaayvah on April 5th, 2005 11:20 am (UTC)
Damn codes.