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09 April 2005 @ 03:50 pm
Amazing Horoscopes  
If you are an Aries you should read this.
If you are a Taurus you should read this.
If you are a Gemini you should read this.
If you are a Cancer you should read this.
If you are a Leo you should read this.
If you are a Virgo you should read this.
If you are a Libra you should read this.
If you are a Scorpio you should read this.
If you are a Sagittarius you should read this.
If you are a Capricorn you should read this.
If you are an Aquarius you should read this.
If you are a Pisces you should read this.
 
 
 
ephant on April 9th, 2005 06:09 am (UTC)
"but they all operate under a very broad working assumption: there is some sort of force from the heavens that influences us here on Earth."

you don't have to believe that to believe in astrology. I agree that it is absurd to suggest that lumps of matter is space have any affect on human beings but to me that isn't what astrology is about... :S
Jacobyak_boy on April 9th, 2005 07:35 am (UTC)
But if you read the whole article, you'll see that it shows doesn't just debunk the astronomical side of astrology.

Even more damning than the sheer ludicrosity of predicting the future, or predicting personality based on the "stars", is the fact that astrology has been quantifiable shown to be completely inaccurate.

So, no matter what force or reason you attribute to astrology, there's simply no getting around the fact that it simply does not work.
Jacobyak_boy on April 9th, 2005 07:36 am (UTC)
Um, that should read:

But if you read the whole article, you'll see that it doesn't just debunk the astronomical side of astrology.
ephant on April 9th, 2005 07:51 am (UTC)
I did read the whole article.

Astrology works for some people. Maybe not for predicting the future or personality but for putting certain events into a larger pattern. You can take any pseudorandom system and apply pre-defined rules to it and come out with something semi-meaningful. If you take that semi-meaningful result and try and fit it you will find bits that do fit and bits that don't. Either way you have learnt something about yourself. I personally believe that the universe is full of patterns, that looking outward and looking inward are the same things and that if you are open to answers then you will get answers. There is beauty and meaning in turning on the radio and hearing the lyrics of a song that help you to make a decision... clearly there is no physical force that caused that song to play at that instant but that doesn't make it any less meaningful or valuable.

If an Astrologer read my astrology chart then they may say things that are preposterous because they are not me. Because I have not studied astrology and am unable to read my own chart I do not follow astrology. I do, however, read my own tarot cards and have found them to be very useful to me. The radio and opening up random pages in books have often solved many dilemmas for me and brought clarity where I thought there could never be any.

Ever, on the odd occasion, did horoscopes in the newspaper... but that was probably just a coincidence ;)
ephant on April 9th, 2005 07:54 am (UTC)
Gah. That last line should read

For me, meaning is everywhere. Even, on the odd occasion, in horoscopes in the newspaper... but that's probably just coincidence ;)

I got all my tenses mixed up. hehe.
Jacobyak_boy on April 9th, 2005 08:03 am (UTC)
And the power of coincidence is such that you remember the "hits" and forget the "misses".
Jacobyak_boy on April 9th, 2005 08:02 am (UTC)
I know lots of people say what you say about astrology, in other words that it's a tool for introspection, and that you don't actually expect it to be accurate.

However, the problem is that that isn't what it's promoted as.

So, those of us who have enough going on in the upstairs department may take something positive away from an astrology reading, without getting too carried away by the hocus-pocus, however many of those who are into astrology aren't quite savvy enough to see the reality of the situation and are being led down a potentially dangerous garden path.

I mean, think about the kinds of claims that many astrologers make. For instance, what if someone took it to heart that their partner was not astrologically compatible, and therefore dumped them? Extreme, perhaps, but stranger things have happened.

But, what really annoys me about astrology, is that some, if not most, of the authors of astrology texts, are fully aware that they are feeding their readers a big load of bullshit. Astrological analysis books and the like are actually very well crafted, taking a lot of knowledge of the power of human psychology into consideration when creating a work that will resonate with its readers.

Whilst I'm sure that many astrologers are just passing on "learning" they have garnered from their predecessors, there are plenty that are deliberately making up lies. And that pisses me off.
Robet Éivaayvah on April 9th, 2005 10:24 am (UTC)
Bah. If I was the same as one twelfth of the population, the world would be awfully boring.

*yawns*
rusty_dkrusty_dk on April 10th, 2005 09:27 am (UTC)
here here
Jacobyak_boy on April 10th, 2005 12:38 pm (UTC)
Well, a full astrological chart is more than just: You're a Pisces.

Which is why the studies were done on "time twins", or those born at roughly the same time and place.
Robet Éivaayvah on April 11th, 2005 02:21 am (UTC)
Indeed, so on and so forth.

But I am still supposed to share a significant number of traits with others of my starsign.
Jacobyak_boy on April 11th, 2005 02:28 am (UTC)
But I am still supposed to share a significant number of traits with others of my starsign.

Which is why people get suckered in by astrology in the first place, because you actually do share a significant number of traits with others of your starsign.

You also happen to share a significant number of traits with everyone else in the human race.
Robet Éivaayvah on April 11th, 2005 02:42 am (UTC)
Well, I'm sure that when I read my starsign profile, I'm not looking at "has two eyes" and exclaiming, "Oh my god, of course. Johnny's a Libra too and he has two eyes as well! It all makes sense now." (And this is where I would put less exaggerated examples, if I could be bothered.)



You know, the thing that bugs me about this article. It's equivalent to getting satellite pictures of the sky to prove that heaven doesn't exist. Of course it's definitive proof, but is it really going to convince anyone? Hell no.

Astrology, in its various forms, is like any other religion. It can be redefined and reanalysed to meet any criticism. Not to mention that people will cling to the few truths (or undisprovable teachings) when faced with a sea of falsehood.
Jacobyak_boy on April 11th, 2005 02:45 am (UTC)
Well, I'm sure that when I read my starsign profile, I'm not looking at "has two eyes" and exclaiming, "Oh my god, of course. Johnny's a Libra too and he has two eyes as well! It all makes sense now." (And this is where I would put less exaggerated examples, if I could be bothered.)

I'm tlaking about when sstrologers say things like: Aries can sometimes be stubborn.

Well, duh, everyone is stubborn sometimes.


You know, the thing that bugs me about this article. It's equivalent to getting satellite pictures of the sky to prove that heaven doesn't exist. Of course it's definitive proof, but is it really going to convince anyone? Hell no.

Astrology, in its various forms, is like any other religion. It can be redefined and reanalysed to meet any criticism. Not to mention that people will cling to the few truths (or undisprovable teachings) when faced with a sea of falsehood.


But the author admits that, he knows that people cling to their crackpot beliefs.

These kinds of articles are all too often only preching to the converted.
Robet Éivaayvah on April 11th, 2005 03:02 am (UTC)
Although, I think that those cases of "Aries can sometimes be stubborn" is more in the astrologer than the astrology. But all the same, astrology is no more feasable than that mind-mapping pseudoscience (where one's personality is supposedly able to be measured by the shape of one's skull).
Jacobyak_boy on April 11th, 2005 03:05 am (UTC)
Heh.

Phrenology.

Robet Éivaayvah on April 11th, 2005 03:06 am (UTC)
That's the one.


I really need to improve my memory for names...
Jacobyak_boy on April 11th, 2005 02:46 am (UTC)
I seem to be having some sydlexia problems.