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10 October 2003 @ 08:28 am
I am now taking submissions for pretzine, my new online zine, powered by lj (because I'm no programmer, and hey, it's free sans ads).

Please make submissions via e-mail.

Now, how do I give out my e-mail address without getting spammed?
Outlier Manlukeii on October 9th, 2003 06:42 pm (UTC)
What sort of submissions? What kind of zine is it?

Maybe you could clear out the iHug account and host it there?

I dunno, I just don't like the idea of a zine being on LJ, I think it will get lost to the crappy side of LJ-ness
Jacobyak_boy on October 9th, 2003 08:34 pm (UTC)
What do you mean by the "crappy side of lj"?

It's not a community, so only I have posting access, and I can turn off replies, so entries don't get flamed.

In that regard all that hosting on lj will mean is:

a) It is free.
b) I won't have to change over hosting when/if I change ISPs.
c) It will be in (reverse) chronological order, by date posted.

Submissions are absolutely open.

I will consider any format:
Fiction prose, non-fiction prose, poetry, prose poetry, visual arts, comics...

Any style:
Humourous, serious, informative, satirical...

You get the point, I'll consider any submissions you want to send me.

Also, feel free to make submissions in html, although I'm not sure on the limits of what html tags can be used in lj.

As the editor I will edit (duh!) and obviously choose what to take and what not to take.
Clearly any content that violates lj's terms of service will not be published, but that's mostly just common sense. If you send me a piece that is clearly racist, for instance, chances are I wouldn't want to publish it anyway.

If you do forsee any other problems with using lj as a means of publication, feel free to spell them out. But, frankly, I'm not a programmer, so the only alternative is that you are volunteering to do the html lay-out for me, because any website I put up looks crap.
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Jacobyak_boy on October 10th, 2003 08:01 pm (UTC)
As I say, the issue is not hosting space, it is one of web design.

I can see many advantages to hosting on lj, but have yet to be shown any real disadvantages.

Replying is switched off, only I have posting access, and I don't have to promote the throughout lj if I don't want to. So what are these big disadvantages?

Another advantage is that the "friends" page is now termed "contributors", so if you have an lj you can have permanent recognition for your contribution, above and beyond the entry itself.
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 12:21 am (UTC)
The main flaws I can see is the lack of an index (I think this is a major one, and I don't think that the calender doesn't really serve the purpose well enough), the dependence on the Live Journal system, an unclear copyright arrangement, and the many irrelevent LiveJournal aspects that will only serve as distractions.

Anyway, I was suggesting hosting it under my web page thing because it has no ads, and I'm a friend of the admin.

I can start on designing a webpage for it if you like. Also I have a few organisational suggestions, especially regarding "contracts" (which I've recently learnt a lot about for my IO talk), and the submission process. We should discuss these soon. ^_^
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 02:44 am (UTC)
I went ahead and designed something. It's only a half-assed layout, so definitely is NOT final, but it's just an example of how it can work... And it also has a couple of extra sections listed that I think you should have.

Webzine Prototype
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 05:10 pm (UTC)
Okay, you've got the job.

I'll still use the livejournal for announcements.

As for contracts and the like, what exactly do you have in mind there?
Obviously this is meant to be fairly informal, although I understand it may be important to cover our own butts.
I assume it will just be a standard, "I give permission for you to publish this" kind of deal.
But how do we get someone to sign it if they happen to live in another country, for instance?
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 06:41 pm (UTC)
Basically, I just thought it would just be something as basic as:

They submit a "manuscript". You like it.
You reply saying that you would like to put it in the zine, and at the end of the email, you'll write something like "Please reply stating that you agree to the following terms... blah blah."
At which point they reply saying "Sure thing man!"
Then you save their email and maybe print it out (making sure that the date is logged) just in case you need it later.

It doesn't need to be a formal document with their signature down the bottom. The most important things are that it's clear, that both parties agree to it, and that it's enforceable (or in this case, nobody sues us for it).

We'll need to include such things as "the submitter of the piece holds the copyright" and "the submitter gives the publisher the right to publish it on the webzine, no matter what name or URL it may later assume."

It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. And it's unlikely we'd need all the stuff we put in it, but it's possible that someday someone will forget that they've given us that permission, or maybe we do a little more with their piece than they said we could.

I'd also suggest having our "standard terms" linked on the submissions page.
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 06:46 pm (UTC)
Sounds oksy to me.

I have no submissions yet, though. :)
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:00 pm (UTC)
So what's the title of the zine?
It's not "pretzels" is it? o_O
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 07:07 pm (UTC)
You don't like it?

That was the title I came up with.

Tasty & Addictive.

What's wrong with that?
Huh? Bitch?
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:08 pm (UTC)
Well, it just didn't sound very... relevant. ^_^;;
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 07:12 pm (UTC)
It's not meant to be "relevant" it's meant to be funny, and catchy.
Do you really think people would pick up and read a magazine entitled "Various Writings by Friends of the Editor"?
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:14 pm (UTC)
Ah, but wit is both funny and relevant.
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 07:18 pm (UTC)
The relevance is in the subtitle.

Tasty & Addictive.
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:20 pm (UTC)
Yet even that's a bit of a stretch...

But, it's not important. I dub thee, "Pretzel Webzine".
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2003 07:27 pm (UTC)
It is important.
And I happen to like the name.

You think Merkin World is "relevant"?
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:38 pm (UTC)

It's a well crafted joke, but I wouldn't call it wit unless it was used in the right context.
Robet Éivaayvah on October 11th, 2003 07:06 pm (UTC)
Oh, and I've modified the layout. It's starting to look... very newspaperish. ^_^
Robet Éivaayvah on October 10th, 2003 05:56 pm (UTC)
You know, I do have a place you can put it, the major flaw would be that I would be the one to update it, not you, and that you'd have to design a webpage for it. But then... I can do that quite easily.

Actually, now that I think about it, I could ask my host to set up a special login. I don't think it'd be too hard, and then you'd be able to update it yourself.

And yeah, my current website is a little archaic in design, but I'm sure I could design something much better for you. ^__^
parakleta on October 12th, 2003 09:53 am (UTC)
These running conversations in LJ comments amuse me... I wonder whatever happened to IM clients.

Oh well... as to your other question about not getting spammed. The most reliable way to do it is to put the email address in a graphic and display that on the page. Most textual obfuscation methods can be gotten around with some clever text processing, but no spammers have the cycles to spare to run OCR code over all the graphics on the internet.
Jacobyak_boy on October 12th, 2003 03:42 pm (UTC)
Thankyou, that is a fantastic idea.