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01 November 2003 @ 11:17 pm
National Novel Writing Month

Okay, disregarding the incredibly short-sighted name (they claim that InNoWriMo doesn't sound as cool), this seems to be a fairly worthwhile movement. Encourage the masses to get cracking and write "that novel", but more than that, to write it in a month.

I'd say that anyone who thinks they can write a decent novel in such a short time deserves the drivel that they get, but I'm sure that a work of genius could be cracked out in that time.

But my biggest problem here is from the website:

"National Novel Writing Month is a fun, seat-of-your-pants approach to novel writing. Participants begin writing November 1. The goal is to write a 175-page (50,000-word) novel by midnight, November 30."

If you can complete a novel in that space of time, good luck to you! No problem so far.

"Valuing enthusiasm and perseverance over talent and craft, NaNoWriMo is a novel-writing program for everyone who has thought fleetingly about writing a novel but has been scared away by the time and effort involved."

Well, it's starting to get a bit scary here, but so far it's just being inclusive. Anyone can participate is what they are saying here. Again, good luck to you. I wouldn't want to try and keep the art of writing solely in the hands of people who are actually good at it.

"Because of the limited writing window, the ONLY thing that matters in NaNoWriMo is output. It's all about quantity, not quality. The kamikaze approach forces you to lower your expectations, take risks, and write on the fly."

Quantity not quality? This is where they start to lose me. I truly believe that in the process of writing it is better to write crap than nothing at all, but you shouldn't be aiming to do so. For the love of all that is good and holy, take your time with your writing. If you write 50,000 words without a second thought as to what you are actually writing, you will end up with the most amazing pile of shit on the planet. Why would anyone want to spend a month making a manuscript that is completely unsalvageable.

"Make no mistake: You will be writing a lot of crap. And that's a good thing. By forcing yourself to write so intensely, you are giving yourself permission to make mistakes. To forgo the endless tweaking and editing and just create. To build without tearing down."

Oh, dear. Time for a BIG reality check boys and girls. Writing a novel is probably just as much about the "endless tweaking and editing" than it is about the initial writing. And as I say, if you zoom through 50,000 words with the attitude that you'll "fix it later", you just won't have anything worth fixing.

My advice to anyone who wants to write a novel (not that I've finished my novel yet, so please, grain of salt...): Make every month NaNoWriMo. Spend a couple of hours a day, whatever you can spare on writing. I use the term "writing" loosely, as I refer to writing, re-reading and editing. Don't be afraid to tweak, don't be afraid to move on. Take it slowly, but don't procrastinate. Don't wait for "inspiration", write whatever comes to you, but don't be afraid to chuck out the crap. Writing a good novel is as much about what you leave out as what you put in.

But, don't listen to me. Churn out 50,000 words and be proud. I'm going back to pottering away on my novel.
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...sunflowrgoddess on November 1st, 2003 12:39 pm (UTC)
Good luck with it! :-)
Jacobyak_boy on November 1st, 2003 03:54 pm (UTC)
Robet Éivaayvah on November 1st, 2003 10:46 pm (UTC)
Actually, I disagree with you.

If you write 50,000 words ytou may or may not be half-way to finishing a novel, but there will certainly be things inside it that are salvagable. I think that it'd be a good idea to have some kind of plan (eg Jo and Joann will get married! Awww.), but all out writing does have it's benefits.

But I think it'd be best to think of it as a variation of "free writing". When you try so hard to just write for such a long time, you're bound to come up with a couple good ideas.

You probably won't have written a good work as a whole, but it'd definitely be good practice, and good for psychological relief from the whole over-editing thing.
Jacobyak_boy on November 2nd, 2003 04:05 pm (UTC)
I agree in part. Free-writing, all out writing can be good to get the juices flowing. But, to write all-out for an entire month, so that the only writing you do is forward, forward, forward, don't stop to think for an entire month...

Stream-of-consciousness writing excercises are a useful tool to inspire you, but once you have a bit of inspiration you have to stop and think carefully about what you are crafting.

I find the notion that you can write a novel if you just "go for it" and type without stopping to think, vaguely offensive. If anyone can write a novel if they just stop worrying about it "being good", what the fuck am I doing at school?

It's not writing, it's typing. I already know how to type. I can type 50,000 words in a lot less than a month. I could write a 50,000 word "novel" in less than a month. I know I can, I don't have to prove that to myself or anyone. I'm only interested in writing a good, publishable novel.

I don't really have a problem with the NaNoWriMo concept as such, but the kind of things they say on the website I feel are de-valuing the written arts. A lot of work goes into a novel, and a novel isn't just about word-count. This website is teaching bad habits, that can be really hard to break.

One of the first things a budding writer should learn is that writing isn't about just sitting down and writing whatever pops into their head. Writing is about planning, patience and persistence. The NaNoWriMo website is breeding a whole bunch of aspiring writers with no concept of patience. "Must... write... fast..." "Writing... must... be... done... quickly..."

Good writing takes time and effort. And despite the fact that someone has said there is a NaNoEdMo, to edit these steaming piles of "novel", the process of writing doesn't work like that. It's not Write, then Edit - woohoo finished novel! The process is long and labourious, write, rewrite, edit, write, rewrite, edit, etc. I really feel that if people write non-stop for 50,000 words it is going to be almost impossible for them to edit and rewrite what they are left with. The start may very well bear no resemblance to the end!

Sure, I understand that most of the participants are just writing for a hobby, but I worry that others take this a little too seriously. I know of at least three students from our course who are participating. These people should know better! I'm not looking forward to Novel 2 class, when people present "workshopping" which consists of stream-of-consciousness rubbish that they whacked together in order to meet the NaNoWriMo deadline. I would much rather spend a week to write 500 carefully crafted words, than to write the same amount in less than a third of my day's writing.

1,666 words a day to reach the deadline. If you can carefully construct that many words every day, good luck to you. But if, as I suspect, you canonly zoom through them haphazardly, please don't ask me to read your "novel" at the end.

I have written around 5,000 words on my novel, and already this much has been through several major rewrites. I have changed names, I have changed speach patterns, I have changed character profiles, I have added details in the gaps, I have fixed continuity errors. If I had continued onward without ever looking back at the errors I had previously made, I can't imagine the mammoth task I would have had just to fix continuity! Imagine trying to correlate and edit all the different continuity errors, shifts of POV, technical glitches, typos, changes of tense, etc etc in a 50,000 word manuscript that hadn't even been read since it was begun, let alone edited. Pages and pages of errors. Where do you even begin?

If people want to participate, good luck to them. I'm just saying that the whole process should be taken with a grain of salt. I think it's a big waste of time.

I say again. Please, people, write. Write with passion, and write every day. Write for your own sake, and write for the sake of others. But, please, do it with dignity.
Robet Éivaayvah on November 3rd, 2003 07:45 pm (UTC)
I think the biggest benefit though, is to something a different way. By trying something, you learn the methods, and you learn the advantages/disadvantages of that method. I don't think that NaNoWriMo is something people should do every year (ewww), but for people who have trouble writing anything at all, it'd be good as a freeing experience.

Too much of anything is bad... it's possible to over-edit a work (I managed to do that sometimes... though technically, fixing it meant more editing).
Jacobyak_boy on November 4th, 2003 12:51 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you say.

I would re-iterate that I don't think writing a novel in a month is a good idea for a serious novelist (unless you are already famous enough that your fans would buy the contents of your napkin for $39.95), but may be a great way to get those that wouldn't otherwise write to do so.

What I lament is that people in our course are participating in NaNoWriMo, and being competitive about it, as if the fact that they wrote 8,000 words today makes them a good writer somehow.
Frostmaiden: Toughfrzn_mmnt on November 2nd, 2003 03:29 pm (UTC)
If you write 50,000 words without a second thought as to what you are actually writing, you will end up with the most amazing pile of shit on the planet. Why would anyone want to spend a month making a manuscript that is completely unsalvageable.

And it is here that I disagree. I wrote my novel last year for NaNoWriMo 2002 and ended up with a complete first draft manuscript at 51,084 words. I left it alone, didn't read it, until a few months later. And you know what? When I finally did read it, it wasn't crap at all. It was actually the most brilliant piece of work I've ever written. It was by no means perfect. Far from it. There were definately huge sections that needed heavy work, and I had a lot of repetition which probably didn't need to be there to make word count. I created a plot outline and stuck to it, mostly, it strayed a little bit, but I ended up where I wanted to.

So just because it's a short time limit and just because it's seat of your pants writing, doesn't mean it's going to automatically be crap.

Jacobyak_boy on November 2nd, 2003 04:24 pm (UTC)
So, you think your NaNoWriMo novel was brilliant. I retract everything I have said about the project, you are obviously a shining example of what everyone participating is achieving.

I'm sure you can understand my error of judgement since I only had to go by what the guys over at the NaNoWriMo website were telling me: "Make no mistake: You will be writing a lot of crap. And that's a good thing." That it's a good thing to spend a month churning out 50,000 words of crap.

Obviously I misunderstood. There are thousands of little Stephen King's right now churning out thousands of words of brilliant, inspired work.

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. Perhaps you should do the same for the writers of the website, that they should change their FAQ to say: "Make no mistake: You will be writing a lot of amazingly brilliant work of literary genius. And that's a good thing."

I'd sarcastically ask when your novel was being published, but of course your retort is to sarcastically ask me when mine is being published, and neither of us can gain any ground there until we are actually published. If your novel has or is being published congratulations, sincerely. If you feel that NaNoWriMo was a great writing experience for you, then good for you, no sarcasm.

I just think that, on the whole, they are breeding contempt for the entire process of writing a novel. It's hard slog. I am just waiting for the moment when I'm asked what I do, and on saying that I am a writer I have to endure this accountant telling me that they have written a "novel", and they did it in only a month. This is one of many humiliations that the professional writer has to endure, everyone thinks they are a "writer", even though few actually have what it takes.

If you have what it takes to be a professional writer, good luck to you. If you did this as a hobby, great, but don't compare yourself to those that work long, hard days as a full-time professional writer. At least, not until that hobby bears fruit.
Frostmaiden: Wonderfrzn_mmnt on November 2nd, 2003 06:49 pm (UTC)
All sarcasm aside here.

I honestly don't believe it'll ever be published. It was a project I did to prove something to myself. And I'm not trying to compare myself to the great writers out there. I'm not Stephen King or Marion Zimmer Bradley or Anne Rice or J.K. Rowling.

But I like to write. I have written 30 odd pieces of fanfiction of varying lengths. Some of them I thought were really good. Some of them were not. But then came this novel. And compared to my other work, this one was brilliant. It showed that when I'm not being overly critical of what I'm writing, and take the time to really flesh out a good plot, I can write a decent story. It's also a lot more difficult to write an original story than it is fanfiction.

Its my opinion of my own work. Other people who read it can compare it to other work they've read, but I can't.

But I was honestly only comparing it to my own work. And referring to what I experienced. Others may have different opinions and experiences. You'd have to ask them.

I do have one question though, again, no sarcasm. If I (or anybody) wanted to be a professional writer, and went into it with the personal view of "everything I write sucks, I'm never going to get published" how far do you think I'd get as a professional writer?
Jacobyak_boy on November 4th, 2003 12:23 am (UTC)
I'm not saying you should have that view.
What I'm saying is that if you write non-stop without thinking it is likely that what you write will suck. If you take your time, research, think, plan, write, re-read, edit, think, plan, write, research, write, re-read, edit... then what you write is much more likely to be good.

I don't really have a problem with NaNoWriMo. What I have a problem with is the website that says it is "a good thing" to write a whole lot of crap. It may be a good thing for some people (ie, it beats writing NOTHING), but for a serious writer wasting a whole month writing crap is a bad thing. That's my reason for not wanting to participate, because I am serious about my writing and don't want to waste time with a project that doesn't suit my needs.

But, again, good luck to you.