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08 October 2004 @ 10:21 am
Above the Line, Below the Line?  
Some have suggested that it is dangerous voting above the line.
I, personally, think the opposite is true.

To illustrate, let me take you back to my very first election.
It was a state election, and at that time I knew very little about politics, but knew enough to know that I supported the Democrats over the major parties and that One Nation was evil.
Come polling day, my card looked something like this:

Liberal (or was it National?) candidate
Labor candidate
Shooter's party candidate
Democratic Labor Party candidate

Okay. I admit that I was dissappointed that there was no One Nation for me to put last, but the Shooter's Party was a pretty good scapegoat.
Anyway, it's embarassing to admit this, but thinking "Democratic Labor Party" was the full title of "The Democrats", I put them first.

My point, therefore, is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Come election day, the Senate voting form is going to have sixty-odd candidates.
The ones from the major parties I will have no problem sorting (and I include the Greens & Democrats in this), but when it comes to independent candidates or minor parties I have to admit that I am still rather ignorant.
Because of this I won't know if a particular candidate is a decent liberal type of pollie, or an evil blood-sucking conservative.

Therefore, I think it is safer to vote above the line, for a party that you can trust.
But, aye, there's the rub: who can you trust?

Thankfully, I feel that I can still trust the Greens, and I'm sure-as-shit I can't trust any other party.
The only other option is to research every candidate and party, and number every box below the line, both of which are rather lengthy processes.

For example, can someone please tell me what Mr Harald E Dreger of Lancefield stands for?
Or, for that matter, what are the Australian Progressive Alliance all about?
Now answer that question for all sixty or so Victorian Senate candidates and I might consider voting below the line.
 
 
 
Outlier Manlukeii on October 7th, 2004 05:28 pm (UTC)
A full list of what each above the line vote means, is provided at each venue. Check what a 1 for the Greens means, and then if you are unhappy with some of the orders of the ones you DO know about, tweak the order yourself with a below the line vote.
Jacobyak_boy on October 7th, 2004 05:33 pm (UTC)
That's too damn clever for my liking.
I'm keeping an eye on you.

However, I still think that, for the most part, a vote above the line for your favoured party is a pretty much a vote in keeping with the values of that particular party:

Labor - Greens deal: both are nominally left-wing
Liberal - Family First deal: both are pretty far right

The Democrats - Family First deal is the only one that was just a complete and utter sell-out on the values of the parties involved.

So the only people that need to really worry about where there preferences are going are Democrats and Family First voters, and I suspect those are few and far between (in this state at least).
Jacobyak_boy on October 7th, 2004 05:35 pm (UTC)
Fuck I hate that you can't edit comments.

...THEIR preferences...
Unsworn, or rather, once was...unsworn_nomore on October 7th, 2004 06:01 pm (UTC)
Except that the ALP also made a deal with Family First in order to disadvantage the Greens.

The situation you outline is the ideal, but it's pretty far from the reality this time around. Seriously. Go to the AEC website and check it out - all the information is right there.
Outlier Man: greenlukeii on October 7th, 2004 07:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah they are all trying to screw the Greens over, including Labor.
Jacobyak_boy on October 7th, 2004 07:51 pm (UTC)
*sniff sniff*
I smell... fear.
Outlier Manlukeii on October 7th, 2004 08:51 pm (UTC)
Are you saying I am wrong?
Jacobyak_boy on October 7th, 2004 09:01 pm (UTC)
No. I'm agreeing with you.
I'm saying that all the other parties are afraid of what The Greens may do at this election.
Jacobyak_boy on October 7th, 2004 07:49 pm (UTC)
Except I don't really need to know the finer details of the other parties' preference allotments, just The Greens.

I'm pretty happy with their allotment of preferences, but I'll examine it closer before I number the box(es).