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11 October 2004 @ 10:39 am
Senate Majority?  
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope to hell that the Coalition wins a full majority of the Senate.

"What kind of crack have you been smoking?" I hear you ask. "Surely John Howard having free rein to pass any legislation he pleases would be a terrible tragedy."


But not as big a tragedy than if a far-right fundamentalist whack-job is holding that last vote, essentially holding the country to ransom.
Howard will introduce all sorts of nutty "family oriented" legislation to secure that last vote.

Lesbians the country over had better hope that burning at the stake is unconstitutional.
Current Mood: scaredscared
Gailkowari on October 10th, 2004 05:54 pm (UTC)
I didn't think of it like that. Good Bloody Point.
Outlier Manlukeii on October 10th, 2004 06:01 pm (UTC)
Actually, Howard only needs an extra vote from any one of the other senators - so if he wants something through, and Family First says 'Burn all Lesbians and we will ok it' and The Greens say 'Protect more trees and we will ok it' then Johnnie will probably protect more trees. Of course, Family First are likely to ask for things more reasonable than that, and things that Howard is probably gonna be amenable to anyway.
Jacobyak_boy on October 10th, 2004 06:09 pm (UTC)
I understand your first point, that the vote could come from the Greens, and the lesbian example was obviously hyperbole.

I agree with your second point, that Family First will ask for things that are amenable to Howard, which was really the point of my post.

Howard is much more likely to do a deal with Family First than with the Democrats, Greens or anyone else.

Therefore, if the Coalition doesn't have a Senate majority in its own right, any deal it brokers for that last vote is likely to push their policies further to the right.

That's why I'd rather they got the full majority.
Outlier Manlukeii on October 10th, 2004 06:15 pm (UTC)
Also, with a full majority, they will pass a whole lot of stuff that will likely scare voters into voting AGAINST them at the next election... right?

Howard actually already sees that as a problem, I think - because he has already said they will use the Senate majority to get through old things that were previously blocked, and not to push through anything they hadn't tabled before, as that might be seen as throwing their weight around too much.
Jacobyak_boy on October 10th, 2004 06:22 pm (UTC)
Er... So the Liberals aren't going to introduce any new legislation for three whole years?

I'll believe that, if you will.
Outlier Manlukeii on October 10th, 2004 06:26 pm (UTC)
No, I don't believe that, but it would seem they are at least thinking about the past, and are obviously gonna try and sneak things through. Of cpurse, the Greens have vowed to be a bee in Howard's bonnet.
musosianmusosian on October 10th, 2004 06:05 pm (UTC)
Gnh. Now I have to hope _for_ the liberals.

Is this the definition of "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't"? (Except we no longer get any say in it whatsoever of course)...
Jacobyak_boy on October 10th, 2004 06:12 pm (UTC)
I guess so.
But, you already had your say.
In the senate, at least, you got just as much say as every other Victorian as to the state of government.

The problem is, who would have thought that Victoria is full of fundamentalist whack-jobs?
musosianmusosian on October 10th, 2004 06:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I guess even in hindsight there's no way of making my vote count more. It's just that maybe knowing this is a possible result I would have gone and hassled people at polling booths at least so that a few people _knew_ their lib/labor/democrat/whatever preferences would go to family first...

It's just so...doomy...knowing that 50000 victorians put Family First first (if that's what the votes on the senate/aec website show).
Outlier Manlukeii on October 10th, 2004 07:50 pm (UTC)
45,526 voted 1 Family First ABOVE the line
Mikmareth_redorb on October 10th, 2004 10:51 pm (UTC)
That's just fucking scary.
Jacobyak_boy on October 11th, 2004 05:25 am (UTC)
It's quite a small percentage of the Victorian population really, it's the preference deals that are going to do us in.
musosianmusosian on October 11th, 2004 12:49 am (UTC)
And yet due to everyone being scared of the greens, their measly 45000 primary votes turn into 400000 preferencey votes so they get more than the Greens 200000 primary votes (and no preferences)